Post by Barrigard on Sept 23, 2006 12:03:52 GMT -6
Gentlemen, I have been a friend of the Indianapolis based exterme heavy metal store ABYSS RECORDS for years and now it appears that it has become the center of an internet-wide controversy.
The issue: Is Ebay justified in bannning Black Metal bands because of the ideology followed by the band members despite the fact that such large selling media (rap, the bible, gangster movies) also falls under the same bannable catagory and yet is not banned by ebay?
What happened: Dan, the owner of Abyss Records, runs an ebay store that is a branch of his online store, ebay informed Dan that the following bands he was selling were now banned from ebay. Here is the message they sent him
Soon after informing us of this letter he notified BLABBERMOUTH.NET of what ebay had done. Here's the article Blabbermouth wrote:
Next Ebay eased up and said he could sell those items, except for BURZUM (which is a fantastic band!!!)
As of today we have a petition up to protest ebay's hateful and discriminatory policies as well as a boycott.
Sign the peition here : www.petitiononline.com/bm123/petition.html
The issue: Is Ebay justified in bannning Black Metal bands because of the ideology followed by the band members despite the fact that such large selling media (rap, the bible, gangster movies) also falls under the same bannable catagory and yet is not banned by ebay?
What happened: Dan, the owner of Abyss Records, runs an ebay store that is a branch of his online store, ebay informed Dan that the following bands he was selling were now banned from ebay. Here is the message they sent him
Dear abyss-records,
Thank you for your recent listing. You listed the following:
110030006900 - BURZUM Complete 6 LP SET Black Metal Mayhem Old Funeral
110029992158 - EMPEROR IX Equilibrium ORIG. LP Metal Zyklon B Enslaved
110032626739 - WOTANORDEN From The.. CD Black Metal Graveland Burzum
110027713792 - BURZUM s/t / Aske DOUBLE LP Black Metal Old Funeral
110025787979 - 1349 Beyond The CD Black Metal Satyricon Zyklon B NEW
110023287505 - DARKTHRONE Panzerfaust CD Black Metal Isengard Burzum
110024523506 - MAYHEM Collection 4 LP SET Black Metal Tormentor Burzum
110031701638 - PANTHEON Krihapentswor CD Black Metal Graveland Burzum
110023647984 - DARKTHRONE Total Death CD Black MetaI Satyricon Burzum
110030021331 - BURZUM Draugen CD DVD Black Metal Old Funeral Mayhem
110022651644 - BURZUM Daudi Baldrs LP Metal Leviathan Mayhem Wongraven
110024524376 - BURZUM Daudi Baldrs CD Black Metal Old Funeral Mayhem
110023882812 - ZYKLON B Blood Must Be Shed CD Metal 1349 Emperor NEW
110032627280 - ARMAGGEDON Imperium CD Black Metal Mutiilation Burzum
110029991674 - EMPEROR Demo LP Black Metal Zyklon B Thou Shalt Suffer
110031735655 - 1349 Hellfire DOUBLE LP Black Metal Satyricon Zyklon B
110023661076 - DARKTHRONE Hate Them CD Black Metal Isengard Burzum NEW
110027712649 - BURZUM Filosofem DOUBLE LP Black Metal Mayhem Leviathan
110022652382 - BURZUM Hlidskjalf LP Black Metal Leviathan Wongraven
110029166335 - BURZUM Det Som Engang Var DIGI CD Black Metal Mayhem
110024796899 - CAMULOS / AINSHVAL Split CD Metal Magog Judas Iscariot
110022651104 - BURZUM Hvis Lyset Tar Oss LP Metal Leviathan Mayhem Von
110027711458 - BURZUM Det Som Engang Var LP Metal Old Funeral Mayhem
110023736720 - NOKTURNAL MORTUM Weltanschauung CD Black Metal Burzum
110026314432 - SATYRICON Now, Diabolical CD 1349 Zyklon B Darkthrone
Unfortunately, eBay removed your listing. All fees related to this listing have been credited to your account. We also notified members who placed bids on the item that the listing has
been canceled.
The listing was removed because it violated the eBay Hateful or Discriminatory policy. The sale of this item may also be prohibited by law.
eBay doesn't permit sellers to list items that promote or glorify hatred, violence, or racial intolerance. Items that promote organizations with such views are also prohibited.
eBay will judiciously disallow listings or items that promote or glorify hatred, violence or racial intolerance, or items that promote organizations (such as Nazis, neo-Nazis and Aryan Nation) with such views. This policy also applies to listings that offer shipping to countries where certain items may be illegal.
Please note: violation of this or other eBay policies may result in forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings, limits on account privileges and account suspension.
To review eBay's list of Prohibited, Questionable, and Infringing items, please visit:
pages.ebay.com/help/sell/item_allowed.html
To learn more about why eBay may remove listings, please go to:
pages.ebay.com/help/tp/listing-ended.html
To review the eBay User Agreement, visit:
pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html
Thank you for your understanding.
Sincerely,
eBay Trust & Safety
Thank you for your recent listing. You listed the following:
110030006900 - BURZUM Complete 6 LP SET Black Metal Mayhem Old Funeral
110029992158 - EMPEROR IX Equilibrium ORIG. LP Metal Zyklon B Enslaved
110032626739 - WOTANORDEN From The.. CD Black Metal Graveland Burzum
110027713792 - BURZUM s/t / Aske DOUBLE LP Black Metal Old Funeral
110025787979 - 1349 Beyond The CD Black Metal Satyricon Zyklon B NEW
110023287505 - DARKTHRONE Panzerfaust CD Black Metal Isengard Burzum
110024523506 - MAYHEM Collection 4 LP SET Black Metal Tormentor Burzum
110031701638 - PANTHEON Krihapentswor CD Black Metal Graveland Burzum
110023647984 - DARKTHRONE Total Death CD Black MetaI Satyricon Burzum
110030021331 - BURZUM Draugen CD DVD Black Metal Old Funeral Mayhem
110022651644 - BURZUM Daudi Baldrs LP Metal Leviathan Mayhem Wongraven
110024524376 - BURZUM Daudi Baldrs CD Black Metal Old Funeral Mayhem
110023882812 - ZYKLON B Blood Must Be Shed CD Metal 1349 Emperor NEW
110032627280 - ARMAGGEDON Imperium CD Black Metal Mutiilation Burzum
110029991674 - EMPEROR Demo LP Black Metal Zyklon B Thou Shalt Suffer
110031735655 - 1349 Hellfire DOUBLE LP Black Metal Satyricon Zyklon B
110023661076 - DARKTHRONE Hate Them CD Black Metal Isengard Burzum NEW
110027712649 - BURZUM Filosofem DOUBLE LP Black Metal Mayhem Leviathan
110022652382 - BURZUM Hlidskjalf LP Black Metal Leviathan Wongraven
110029166335 - BURZUM Det Som Engang Var DIGI CD Black Metal Mayhem
110024796899 - CAMULOS / AINSHVAL Split CD Metal Magog Judas Iscariot
110022651104 - BURZUM Hvis Lyset Tar Oss LP Metal Leviathan Mayhem Von
110027711458 - BURZUM Det Som Engang Var LP Metal Old Funeral Mayhem
110023736720 - NOKTURNAL MORTUM Weltanschauung CD Black Metal Burzum
110026314432 - SATYRICON Now, Diabolical CD 1349 Zyklon B Darkthrone
Unfortunately, eBay removed your listing. All fees related to this listing have been credited to your account. We also notified members who placed bids on the item that the listing has
been canceled.
The listing was removed because it violated the eBay Hateful or Discriminatory policy. The sale of this item may also be prohibited by law.
eBay doesn't permit sellers to list items that promote or glorify hatred, violence, or racial intolerance. Items that promote organizations with such views are also prohibited.
eBay will judiciously disallow listings or items that promote or glorify hatred, violence or racial intolerance, or items that promote organizations (such as Nazis, neo-Nazis and Aryan Nation) with such views. This policy also applies to listings that offer shipping to countries where certain items may be illegal.
Please note: violation of this or other eBay policies may result in forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings, limits on account privileges and account suspension.
To review eBay's list of Prohibited, Questionable, and Infringing items, please visit:
pages.ebay.com/help/sell/item_allowed.html
To learn more about why eBay may remove listings, please go to:
pages.ebay.com/help/tp/listing-ended.html
To review the eBay User Agreement, visit:
pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html
Thank you for your understanding.
Sincerely,
eBay Trust & Safety
Soon after informing us of this letter he notified BLABBERMOUTH.NET of what ebay had done. Here's the article Blabbermouth wrote:
eBay Banning Sale Of Black Metal Albums? - Sep. 14, 2006
Paula Hogan of MANIC Music & Distribution and Candlelight Records USA has contacted BLABBERMOUTH.NET to report that "eBay is [allegedly] currently starting a ban on black/extreme metal. A few of our vendors who have sizeable eBay stores are now finding their items pulled down by eBay directly. The list we have compiled so far that have been pulled for sale via any eBay stores or auctions is noted below. I'm sure there are more."
Added Dan Ferguson of Indianapolis, IN's Abyss Records: "I had a number of items removed and account suspended by selling black metal. It seems a group of so-called Christians have been reporting black metal bands (even though eBay has black metal as a search genre) as all racist and hateful and discriminatory."
The items that were allegedly removed by eBay because they "violated the eBay Hateful or Discriminatory policy" are as follows:
BURZUM - Complete 6 LP SET
EMPEROR - IX Equilibrium ORIG. LP
WOTANORDEN - From The.. CD
BURZUM - s/t / Aske DOUBLE LP
1349 - Beyond The CD
DARKTHRONE - Panzerfaust CD
MAYHEM - Collection 4 LP SET
PANTHEON - Krihapentswor CD
DARKTHRONE - Total Death CD
BURZUM - Draugen CD DVD
BURZUM - Daudi Baldrs LP
BURZUM - Daudi Baldrs CD
ZYKLON B - Blood Must Be Shed CD
ARMAGGEDON - Imperium CD
EMPEROR - Demo LP
1349 - Hellfire DOUBLE LP
DARKTHRONE - Hate Them CD
BURZUM - Filosofem DOUBLE LP
BURZUM - Hlidskjalf LP
BURZUM - Det Som Engang Var DIGI CD
CAMULOS / AINSHVAL - Split CD
BURZUM - Hvis Lyset Tar Oss LP
BURZUM - Det Som Engang Var LP
NOKTURNAL MORTUM - Weltanschauung CD
SATYRICON - Now, Diabolical CD
In eBay's e-mail to Ferguson explaining their decision to remove his listing, they write, "eBay doesn't permit sellers to list items that promote or glorify hatred, violence, or racial intolerance. Items that promote organizations with such views are also prohibited.
"eBay will judiciously disallow listings or items that promote or glorify hatred, violence or racial intolerance, or items that promote organizations (such as Nazis, neo-Nazis and Aryan Nation) with such views. This policy also applies to listings that offer shipping to countries where certain items may be illegal."
Paula Hogan of MANIC Music & Distribution and Candlelight Records USA has contacted BLABBERMOUTH.NET to report that "eBay is [allegedly] currently starting a ban on black/extreme metal. A few of our vendors who have sizeable eBay stores are now finding their items pulled down by eBay directly. The list we have compiled so far that have been pulled for sale via any eBay stores or auctions is noted below. I'm sure there are more."
Added Dan Ferguson of Indianapolis, IN's Abyss Records: "I had a number of items removed and account suspended by selling black metal. It seems a group of so-called Christians have been reporting black metal bands (even though eBay has black metal as a search genre) as all racist and hateful and discriminatory."
The items that were allegedly removed by eBay because they "violated the eBay Hateful or Discriminatory policy" are as follows:
BURZUM - Complete 6 LP SET
EMPEROR - IX Equilibrium ORIG. LP
WOTANORDEN - From The.. CD
BURZUM - s/t / Aske DOUBLE LP
1349 - Beyond The CD
DARKTHRONE - Panzerfaust CD
MAYHEM - Collection 4 LP SET
PANTHEON - Krihapentswor CD
DARKTHRONE - Total Death CD
BURZUM - Draugen CD DVD
BURZUM - Daudi Baldrs LP
BURZUM - Daudi Baldrs CD
ZYKLON B - Blood Must Be Shed CD
ARMAGGEDON - Imperium CD
EMPEROR - Demo LP
1349 - Hellfire DOUBLE LP
DARKTHRONE - Hate Them CD
BURZUM - Filosofem DOUBLE LP
BURZUM - Hlidskjalf LP
BURZUM - Det Som Engang Var DIGI CD
CAMULOS / AINSHVAL - Split CD
BURZUM - Hvis Lyset Tar Oss LP
BURZUM - Det Som Engang Var LP
NOKTURNAL MORTUM - Weltanschauung CD
SATYRICON - Now, Diabolical CD
In eBay's e-mail to Ferguson explaining their decision to remove his listing, they write, "eBay doesn't permit sellers to list items that promote or glorify hatred, violence, or racial intolerance. Items that promote organizations with such views are also prohibited.
"eBay will judiciously disallow listings or items that promote or glorify hatred, violence or racial intolerance, or items that promote organizations (such as Nazis, neo-Nazis and Aryan Nation) with such views. This policy also applies to listings that offer shipping to countries where certain items may be illegal."
Next Ebay eased up and said he could sell those items, except for BURZUM (which is a fantastic band!!!)
Dear Danny,
Thank you for writing eBay in regard to our Hateful or Discriminatory items policy. My name is Qubert and I'd be happy to provide you with theinformation that you requested. Recordings from any of the following artists are not allowed at all on the site:
- Landser
- Skrewdriver
- Frank Rennicke
- Ian Stuart (Donaldson)
- Kraftschlag
- Konkwista 88
- Zillertaler turkenjager
- Sturmwehr
- Storkraft
- Absurd
- Any recordings identified as Nazi marching music, such as “Hitler’s Inferno Songs
If you need further assistance, please don't hesitate to reply to this email and let us know. Sincerely,Qubert eBay Customer Support
Thank you for writing eBay in regard to our Hateful or Discriminatory items policy. My name is Qubert and I'd be happy to provide you with theinformation that you requested. Recordings from any of the following artists are not allowed at all on the site:
- Landser
- Skrewdriver
- Frank Rennicke
- Ian Stuart (Donaldson)
- Kraftschlag
- Konkwista 88
- Zillertaler turkenjager
- Sturmwehr
- Storkraft
- Absurd
- Any recordings identified as Nazi marching music, such as “Hitler’s Inferno Songs
If you need further assistance, please don't hesitate to reply to this email and let us know. Sincerely,Qubert eBay Customer Support
As of today we have a petition up to protest ebay's hateful and discriminatory policies as well as a boycott.
Sign the peition here : www.petitiononline.com/bm123/petition.html